I'd like to see that actually, and there are some awesome classes for it.
Also, Paul:
If we go with 12 classes, here is one idea. If 10, then just take a look at the ordering pre-epic and the class subs that follow
paladin
oracle
bard
sublime chord
dread witch
wilder
cerebremancer
Divine Oracle
Fochlucan
psychic theurge
Wizard
Ultimate Magus
Mystic Theurge
paladin 17 (divine Spirit sub, Dungeonscape p.11)/oracle 3///Divine Oracle 2/Fochlucan 10 (+Oracle/Wizard CL)/Mystic Theurge 8 (+S.Chord/Oracle CL)
Bard 10/Sublime Chord 2/Bard 1/Dread Witch 5 (+bard CL)/Bard 2///Wizard (abjuration) 1/Bard 1/Ult.Magus 10 (+Wizard/S.Chord CL)/Bard 6/Sublime Chord 2
Wilder 11/Cerebremancer 9 (+Wilder/S.Chord CL)///Cerebremancer 1/Psychic Theurge 10 (+Wilder/Oracle CL)/Wilder 9
@lvl32: Paladin = CL 17, Oracle = CL 25, Bard = CL 18 (Bardsong 23 or 25), S.Chord = Cl 32 (actual 36), Wizard = CL 21, Wilder = CL 32
@lvl40: Paladin = CL 17, Oracle = CL 35, Bard = CL 24 (Bardsong 29 or 33), S.Chord = Cl 40 (actual 46), Wizard = CL 21, Wilder = CL 40
Also, Paul:
If we go with 12 classes, here is one idea. If 10, then just take a look at the ordering pre-epic and the class subs that follow
paladin
oracle
bard
sublime chord
dread witch
wilder
cerebremancer
Divine Oracle
Fochlucan
psychic theurge
Wizard
Ultimate Magus
Mystic Theurge
paladin 17 (divine Spirit sub, Dungeonscape p.11)/oracle 3///Divine Oracle 2/Fochlucan 10 (+Oracle/Wizard CL)/Mystic Theurge 8 (+S.Chord/Oracle CL)
Bard 10/Sublime Chord 2/Bard 1/Dread Witch 5 (+bard CL)/Bard 2///Wizard (abjuration) 1/Bard 1/Ult.Magus 10 (+Wizard/S.Chord CL)/Bard 6/Sublime Chord 2
Wilder 11/Cerebremancer 9 (+Wilder/S.Chord CL)///Cerebremancer 1/Psychic Theurge 10 (+Wilder/Oracle CL)/Wilder 9
@lvl32: Paladin = CL 17, Oracle = CL 25, Bard = CL 18 (Bardsong 23 or 25), S.Chord = Cl 32 (actual 36), Wizard = CL 21, Wilder = CL 32
@lvl40: Paladin = CL 17, Oracle = CL 35, Bard = CL 24 (Bardsong 29 or 33), S.Chord = Cl 40 (actual 46), Wizard = CL 21, Wilder = CL 40
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My character is a half-celestial Erinyes, and her 40 level tristalted build includes the following classes:
cleric
paladin
sorceror
geomancer
crusader
ruby knight vindicator
paragnostic apostle
ordained champion
jade phoenix mage
warrior of darkness
hellreaver
with the last four occurring at 21st level or higher. As I work to optimise, this build may change at some point.
cleric
paladin
sorceror
geomancer
crusader
ruby knight vindicator
paragnostic apostle
ordained champion
jade phoenix mage
warrior of darkness
hellreaver
with the last four occurring at 21st level or higher. As I work to optimise, this build may change at some point.
i need some clarification on the rules because i don't understand faceless text well
I am to choose a race with 11 or less HD, up to 8 LA and 3 x lvl 11 class levels that match that 12 class algorithm (which do not include the list of over-used classes)?
I am to choose a race with 11 or less HD, up to 8 LA and 3 x lvl 11 class levels that match that 12 class algorithm (which do not include the list of over-used classes)?
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Yes. Pick anything up to 11hd and LA +8. You won't get anything out of the HD (feats, skills, etc.; you get your 11lvls of tristalt instead), you ignore them completely, but it's just a way of limiting the critters you can choose from to manageable.
And yes, it's stupid and overcomplicated. More of a thought experiment than a playable game... but we're doing it anyway. Good times. If you have any specific questions you need answered, ask and I'll do my best.
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Of note people, we are going to level 1/session. Flat rate. So, kill for the joy of killing, slaughter innocent epic monstrosities and cuddly elder evils, but remember that you're doing it for the sheer bliss of destruction and pride, not for any eeps.
I'm running a story centered game.
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Yes. Pick anything up to 11hd and LA +8. You won't get anything out of the HD (feats, skills, etc.; you get your 11lvls of tristalt instead), you ignore them completely, but it's just a way of limiting the critters you can choose from to manageable.
And yes, it's stupid and overcomplicated. More of a thought experiment than a playable game... but we're doing it anyway. Good times. If you have any specific questions you need answered, ask and I'll do my best.
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Of note people, we are going to level 1/session. Flat rate. So, kill for the joy of killing, slaughter innocent epic monstrosities and cuddly elder evils, but remember that you're doing it for the sheer bliss of destruction and pride, not for any eeps.
I'm running a story centered game.
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.... in the cold depths of their cerebra will echo one question: What kind of story?
And I'll coldly reply, "Tri-stault."
And I'll coldly reply, "Tri-stault."
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I am thinking for epic: Archmagus/Epic Wizard, Epic Psion, Bloodclaw Master, Jade Phoneix mage. I haven't seen much in the way of epic classes, and have never made an epic character, so Im not sure if this will be enough for progression.
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“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”
― Marcus Aurelius
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“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”
― Marcus Aurelius
In looking through epic stuff for my build in gid's game, i came across feats such as improved metamagic and multispell. Multispell is not reprinted in 3.5 to my knowledge, and it should probably stay gone, as the action economy shouldn't be altered so simply, though i'm willing to hear arguments otherwise.
Those two feats should not be taken multiple times however, and I recommend that this rulling carry over to other games. Improved meta taken multiple times both invalidates earlier feats and class features, and further empowers metamagic with virtually no effort on the part of the player. And why multiple quickened spells in a turn is broken, even in overpowered settings, should go without saying.
Those two feats should not be taken multiple times however, and I recommend that this rulling carry over to other games. Improved meta taken multiple times both invalidates earlier feats and class features, and further empowers metamagic with virtually no effort on the part of the player. And why multiple quickened spells in a turn is broken, even in overpowered settings, should go without saying.
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